Naked-marital sex annuls marriageCAIRO - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.
According to the religious edict issued by Rashad Hassan Khalil, a former dean of Al-Azhar University's faculty of Sharia (or Islamic law), "being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage" .
The religious decree sparked a hot debate on the private satellite network. Dream's popular religious talk show and on the front page of Sunday's Al-Masri Al-Yom, Egypt's leading independent daily newspaper.
Suad Saleh, who heads the women's department of Al-Azhar's Islamic studies faculty, pleaded for "anything that can bring spouses closer to each other" and rejected the claim that nudity during intercourse could invalidate a union.
During the live televised debate, Islamic scholar Abdel Muti dismissed the fatwa: "Nothing is prohibited during marital sex, except of course sodomy."(what about orals, fingering, hand jives etc ?)
For his part, Al-Azhar's fatwa committee chairman Abdullah Megawar argued that married couples could see each other naked but should not look at each other's genitalia and suggested they cover up with a blanket during sex.Very complicated! God, please help clarify. We are confused.
Did Adam and Eve used blanket?
31 comments:
Are you making fun of islamic practices and rituals?
If you are not Muslim, mind your fucking business, ok!
Mind your language
I am a muslim, but this is way ridiculous. good job bayi!
Eh............ I have a great idea; just use a rubber to avoid having sex in complete nudity and if you want a baby or two , cut a hole in the rubber.
Anonymous #3; Get your facts and sources right. The post is not from bayi. I am bayi and I am a reader like you.
Adam and Eve covered themselves with leaves from the apple tree during sex. That was how Eve offered the apple to Adam and so mankind was damned
Husin,
Islam is universal and do not just belong to you or to a small community here in Malaysia. I have a right, similar to you, to believe and accept Islam for as long as I acknowledge that Allah is the ONLY GOD, Prophet Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and the Quran is the words from Allah. At such, my rights in Islam is no inferior to you.
However, my acceptance of Islam and belief is absolutely guided by the words as enunciated in the Quran; nothing more. There are many Islamic scholars who tried to personalised Islam the way they see it, the way they conceptualised it, and the way they want it to be; not what the Quran had said.
The Quran did not say or tried to teach us how to have sex, or what methods to apply. The Islamic scholars tried to provide guidance but along the way, they had re-written the Quran based on their own concept and perception which is contradictory to the basic fundamental teaching as proscribed in the Quran.
Therefore, my rights as a believer do include a right to rebut their personal thoughts for as long as they are not within the purview of the Quran.
The above news is not my writing. If you felt ridiculed, you should direct your point to those scholars as mentioned in the article and sought your view or raised your objections.
By the way Husin, your language used is totally unIslamic and against the teaching in the Quran. Allah said you should lead those by guiding them in the true knowledge of Islam. Islam is a religion of love, not hate or contempt. Allah never wanted Muslims to behave as if they are gangsters or sakais. Muslims are intellectual and are capable to engaged in intellectual discourse. For your information, I am a passionate believer in Islam and the Quran. So, mind you, I have a right to belief in Islam and accept the words of the Quran per se. I have a right to sought and made known my point of view on Islam. This right is individuated and not subjected to you approval.
If you like to read ridicule of Islam, go to Raja Petra Kamaruddin in Malaysia-Today.
really anon 805am? eve plucked a fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not an apple tree. they are having sex and she offers him a piece of fruit, which would he choose? duh! please go back and re-read that passage in the Bible. but this cover with leaves or not thing is really irrelevant, just because E&A did in their time does not mean it is relevant or even practical in this day and age. we are all created in God's image and if some of us are too afraid to be able to see our most nearest and dearest when we are at the most intimate, then i feel sorry for them. but at the same time they have no problems leering at women on astro channel 5! so i just dont get it.
Not surprising. Husin is just probably one of the millions of bigots who think they monopolise Islam and their equally bigoted views are actually barriers to national unity. They think they have the exclusive reserve to views on their religion. That's their business but when they start to demolish other non-muslim religious shrines, for whatever bigoted views, the dangerous trend begins.
It seems that nowadays anyone claiming to be muslim is entitled to issue fatwas reportedly sourced from the quran. What happens if the Catholic church follows suit and its priests start issuing their individual
Ecclesiastical Canons and decrees as to what people must do?
To those who cannot take criticism, don't just ask people to shut up.
If you got better views, pls say your piece.
I am a muslim (born a muslim). But there are times that I admit that I don't know where it is leading me. The goodness in the teachings are always there. But these new fatwas and whatnots are creating unnecessary tensions and misconceptions to the religion.
In today's Malay (Malaysian) society, where the Usrahs are the latest in-thing for the upper middle class, I find the intensity that radiates from the groups attending such classes to the sayings and teachings of their Ustaz is mind boggling at times.
And I am talking about people of high educational backgrounds.
This is what religion can do to people. They can lose sight of what is real and what is fantasy, provided the fantasy is being drummed into one's subconcious on a regular basis.
And that is not even using UTK's tactics.
Blanket was non-existent during adam-eve time. Modern high-tech stuffs also did not exist when all the religious books were first written.
If that 'scholar' has such ridiculous idea, he should not appear in the TV at all! Isn't TV, the entertainment box, is more 'controversial and sinful'?
Don't think many msia muslims will agree his crazy idea. Don't expect those bigots agreeing to msian muslims' practices either. So, what are you angry at, husin lempoyang?
Goodness gracious!!! What is the sane reason behind this??? It's ridiculous. I don't think Adam and Eve has any blankets at that time. Maybe they used leaves... but i dunno how they cover with leaves coz they will fall off. Wah... very difficult to make love like that. Must keep making sure the leaves cover at least the nipples.
Mosque protest cleric arrested after trying to flee in a burka. Cross-dressing allowed for those who issue fatwas?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2028715.ece
I like to find out, is there anybody in this mad world born with clothes on? Is there anything hideous being "naturally" naked or nakedness, itself being an evil thing by divine law?
So man-made laws have legislated against "indecency" etc etc against individual behaviour in society. Fair enough.
Even "sex" has somewhat classified into many pigeon holes of interpretations. But I think the essence of this so-called "filth" lies only in the mind of those with filthy minds. So why be "inside" this body, better jump off from any twin-towers to end eveything. recommended jump: China's tallest building.
No wonder, famous scientist once quipped: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity." And he added he wasn't sure about the universe. Meaning stupidity is indeed infinite.
This is a really interesting read! Too bad some people cannot read and rationalize in a civilised manner.
What is exactly ur intention with this entry Mave?
This is not a big deal actually. Why make this kind of fuss, AGAIN?! What I know, base from my ustaz, covering during intercourse is just basically want to avoid from seeing 'that' and 'this' which is believe can lower your brain IQ.
Those who wants to memorize / hafal one book of Al-Quran, that 7,777 words of Quran, they should avoid from seeing "benda kotor", like those "thing" la. To encourage Muslim to have Quranic Verses fix in their brain, Islam encourage to cover most part of "kotor" area, and avoid seeing "kotor" material i.e shit.
But, they strictly don't prohibit the nudity during intercourse. Plus, according to tasawwuf (bidang yg tersurat which science can't proof) we should cover because we dont want the 'malaikat sebelah kiri dan kanan' nampak kita buat projek...
So, I just want to clear things up. that's all.
Terang Bulan,
Thanks for your expression of opinion. I do agree with your last para.
First and foremost, I was posting an article that reported on the difference of opinion by scholars. My question posed was a hypothesis based on Adam and Eve who may not have the clothes to cover-up when having sex. In fact, various other scholars were not in agreement with Rashad Hassan. It was meant to instill discussion on the opinion of Rashad. However, some read it as an attempt to ridicule the sacred religion. This, I could not accept as I am a firm believer in Islam and the teaching of the Quran. I am against some of the opinion of scholars who expands the interpretation of the Quran to fit their own conception and perception, making contradictory fatwas which are not within the realms of what the Quran had written, and which may lead to more confusion and uncertainties and make Islam a fearful religion. This, I am absolutely against.
Hi Maverick,
A bit off topic, but still in keeping with the perception of non-Muslims on the behaviour of Muslims.
There has been a Deafening Silence from the Muslim community in this country on the Doctors turned suicide bombers in Britain.
I can see from the reaction to Salman Rushdie's knighthood that people in this country are quite capable of organising a stern reaction to international events.
But on the suicide bombing case No reaction, silence, zilch. Does that mean the Muslim community in Malaysia sympathises with the Suicide Bombers ? I hope not.
Again, this is no disrespect to the religion of Islam. It is a comment on Muslims (as a people) in this country.
Who said Adam and Eve were naked during intercourse? Anybody can prove that? Adam and Eve lives in Heaven until they were being punished and sent to earth. After they ate "buah khuldi", their clothes that were made from heaven stripped off automatically and they were so embarassed to each other they cepat2 cover their parts with nearby leaves.
Notice that they already have clothes on, and care for their dignity, until being deceived by evil Satan. When Eve was first created, when Adam first lay his eyes on Eve, dia pun tak sabar nak terkam Eve, but still he have to marry Eve in a proper way.
Those are before Islam came. Now, from Islamic teaching, it just want to see more Moslem able to hafal Quran easily with their mind free from filth element. Young child memorize better coz they are innocent, unlike us.... well u know la why.
terang bulan - Are we talking about the same Adam and Eve? I think not. Not according the the bible anyway.
Terang Bulan,
I m certain u have interpret Adam's in ur own conception. I will write about Adam later.
Hi maverick sm,
It's religion that gives rise to such warped behaviour.
Worse still, when it is not separated from the state, it will embolden the fanatics to shamelessly try to do God a favour by acting on His behalf.
The hypocrates are already having a field day and it's safe to say we have not seen the worst yet. Not by a long shot.
You're the wise one; husin lempoyang is your opposite.
Hi Maverick
When people get defensive, for whatever reasons, their intellectual content seems to go off tangent. :)
ewoon, thanks.
Husin, I apologise if you are angry but I stressed that I would and never would ridicule a religion I love.
To all other commenters, thank you.
To Anon#2 and #3, I don't know what you meant by ridiculous. Are you referring to the article published by the paper or are you referring to some other thing?
maverick - you are forgiven if your intention are true. If and only if.
comment on such article have invited ridicule, if you fail to realise. i am sure you are smart enough to expect such reaction with such posting.
This is not the first time I believe you put up posting that invite ridicule of islam. If you wish to discuss islam, do discuss it in a proper decorum and manner.
problem these days is that many people are trying to learn islam and interpret it at their own will without respect to the due process, discipline and tradition of knowlwedge. Even non muslim are doing so!
There are tradition of alternative views in Islam, but it is all done within the scholarly discipline and conduct, not in the rude and distasteful nature of debates like that of MT. THast why many respectable institution and organisation refuse to participate or prolong debates in MT. The debates are damn rude!
As I see, there is a difference between opinion and fatwa. Opinion is opinion and it has its basis. Accept or not, its entirely up to you. WHy the need to revert to such venomous manner? The worse is to take as truth reports by international media. Fatwa is consensual judgement made by a group of learned.
But if you wish to disagree and with your own learned justification to not confirm to the norm, do it at your own accord and not disrupt the consistency that institution provides.
For those like ewoon that is anti institution, I have no idea what religion you abide to, but mind you anarchy does not serve the progress of any religion. INstitutionalising provides for organisation. I hope you are not adhering to such viewpoint merely for being anti islam or anti religion.
BTW, on the issue of how one fulfill ones desire, thats ones business in ones private domain. I do not agree with the azhar ulamak and I have long been aware of it. But the manner this posting is expected to invite ridicule is bad and insensitive.
I can easily pick up any issue of other religion and ridicule it to the ground, but shouldn't we be respectign other faith. IF there is any interfaith discourse, it must be done in respectable manner.
Off late, especially after 9-11, islam is a convenient and common butt of ridicule. Such posting of yours maveerick, which is not the first and perhaps not the last time, just provide convenience for others to vent hate and place to condemn islam. Wonder, did you ever ridicule the institution of other religion?
AT the end of the day, no one shd be ridicule others faith and belief. Comprende?
Irrespective of what you all have to say, Islam is my religion and I believe it the one and only true path. Disbelief it at your won free will!
Abt my language, thats my vice as one with roots from melaka. I am sure in will wane off, if there is no more rude, bigot and self centred comentators.
Husin,
Thanks for your response. However, I am puzzled of your content. First and foremost, the comments and disagreement on the fatwa was made by Suad Saleh and Abdel Muti, both of whom are Islamic Scholars from Al-Azhar. These were published worldwide and not just in this blog. If you disagree with their outburst and your contention that the criticism should be dealt with within the institution, then the scholars from Al-Azhar should not have televised it to the public. What I posted was a public document of which it was televised internationally. So, why do you deemed that I had opt to openly parlayed it when it was a published ?
I believed you are paranoid. I like to emphasized that Islam is a universal religion of which no one has any proprietary rights to declare it as his/her own to the exceptions of others. Secondly, Muslim and Islam is not the same as Muslims have their own opinion about Allah based on their own conception. Islam is what is written in the Quran and anything that do not conform with the Quran is unislamic and is subjected to critical reflective attitudes. This is not the same as blasphemy and contempt. What you should be against is contempt and any attempt to mock Islam as per the Quran. However, if certain claims of behavior by Muslims were made in the name of Islam of which is contradictory to the Quran, do you mean it should not be criticised? The Quran pronounced that there will be many false prophets who would come in the name of Allah and try to cause the people to deviate from the truth as enunciated in the Quran. Are you saying that such act by those who came in the name of Islam and professed to be Muslims should be tolerated? This is against the teaching of the Prophet.
Probably, you are suffering from pro-Islamophobia and conceived that all others are anti-Islam. If you would observed, the real problem about Islam is never from those outside the Muslims...it is and had been the Muslims clerics who had caused much dissension and confusion. Islam is pure and Allah is Al-Akbar. God is great and omnipotent. Human is weak and Muslims are weak too. They tried to protect Allah of which they themselves should seek grace and protection from Allah. No one can escape punishment from Allah if they blaspheme Him, whether it is Muslim or non-Muslim. Allah do not need the weak human which he had created to protect Him. He is Allah wataAllah and He can protect himself. Human should call on his grace and protection instead of trying to proof that they are His protector.
I hope you can differentiate contempt and blaspheme. Critical reflective attitude is what the Quran call upon all Muslims to review themselves and continue to do so. Muslims must watch out for the false prophets within their own. That's what the Quran said.
maverick
if there are more of you and less of the other, i think society will be more harmonious and less contentious. i am a non-muslim but I respect you as a muslim and your stand. god bless you.
IT IS TIME FOR MALAYSIAN MUSLIMS TO OPEN THEIR MIND.
BE MATURED AND LEARN TO LAUGH ABOUT THEMSELVES. THEN HARMONY CAN BE REALISED.
I agree with Mave...
The problem lies from inside (the moslem itself). Same goes to Karen Armstrong articles.
Poor late prophet Mohammed. No wonder he worried so much about his Ummat before his death...
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