PM: "I instructed Tengku Adnan"
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said yesterday that he had instructed Umno secretary-general Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor to lodge a police report against DAP chairman Karpal Singh for making allegedly seditious remarks about the Sultan of Perak.
The prime minister and Umno president said Karpal's questioning of Sultan Azlan Shah's prerogative as the state's head of religion had angered many, including non-Malays.
"It was seditious and insulting to the Sultan, that is how it is seen in the eyes of the rakyat," he said.
He said it was the right of the state governments to move any of their civil servants without consulting the heads of state.
At the same time, the Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club lodged a police report against DAP chairman Karpal Singh yesterday for questioning the Sultan of Perak Sultan Azlan Shah's decision to reinstate Datuk Jamry Sury as head of the Perak Religious Department.
Seven members led by its chairman and Bintulu MP, Datuk Seri Tiong King Sing, did so at 4.15pm at the Brickfields police station.
Tiong, in the report, said he was acting to protect the rights and sovereignty of the Malay Rulers under the Federal and state Constitutions.
Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak had said that Karpal had "disputed" the provisions of the Constitution by questioning the sultan's prerogatives as the Perak head of religion.
In another development, a coalition of more than 300 Malay non-governmental organisations lodged a police report against Karpal for "disrespecting the Malay rulers".
Council of Malay Solidarity president Osman Abu Bakar, in his report, claimed that Karpal had on separate occasions "insulted" the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, the Tengku Mahkota of Kelantan and Sultan Azlan Shah.
"Karpal Singh is biadap (rude)," Osman told reporters outside the Brickfields police station where he had lodged the report five minutes before Tiong.
Perak Umno youth had lodged a police report on Sunday (May 4) which claimed that Karpal's statements were seditious in nature.
"The act of continuously challenging the Sultan of Perak's prerogatives can be construed as an attempt to incite anger among the Malays," he said at the state Umno headquarters.
(source: NST: 'Many Malaysians upset with Karpal' and NST: BN backbenchers lodge report against Karpal)
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said yesterday that he had instructed Umno secretary-general Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor to lodge a police report against DAP chairman Karpal Singh for making allegedly seditious remarks about the Sultan of Perak.
The prime minister and Umno president said Karpal's questioning of Sultan Azlan Shah's prerogative as the state's head of religion had angered many, including non-Malays.
"It was seditious and insulting to the Sultan, that is how it is seen in the eyes of the rakyat," he said.
He said it was the right of the state governments to move any of their civil servants without consulting the heads of state.
At the same time, the Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club lodged a police report against DAP chairman Karpal Singh yesterday for questioning the Sultan of Perak Sultan Azlan Shah's decision to reinstate Datuk Jamry Sury as head of the Perak Religious Department.
Seven members led by its chairman and Bintulu MP, Datuk Seri Tiong King Sing, did so at 4.15pm at the Brickfields police station.
Tiong, in the report, said he was acting to protect the rights and sovereignty of the Malay Rulers under the Federal and state Constitutions.
Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak had said that Karpal had "disputed" the provisions of the Constitution by questioning the sultan's prerogatives as the Perak head of religion.
In another development, a coalition of more than 300 Malay non-governmental organisations lodged a police report against Karpal for "disrespecting the Malay rulers".
Council of Malay Solidarity president Osman Abu Bakar, in his report, claimed that Karpal had on separate occasions "insulted" the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, the Tengku Mahkota of Kelantan and Sultan Azlan Shah.
"Karpal Singh is biadap (rude)," Osman told reporters outside the Brickfields police station where he had lodged the report five minutes before Tiong.
Perak Umno youth had lodged a police report on Sunday (May 4) which claimed that Karpal's statements were seditious in nature.
"The act of continuously challenging the Sultan of Perak's prerogatives can be construed as an attempt to incite anger among the Malays," he said at the state Umno headquarters.
(source: NST: 'Many Malaysians upset with Karpal' and NST: BN backbenchers lodge report against Karpal)
It was seditious and insulting to the Sultan, that is how it is seen in the eyes of the rakyat. Let's observe other events whether it was also seditious and insulting to the Sultan and Agong.
Abdullah: It's Unconstitutional
In the immediate response to the appointment of State Assemblyman for Kijai Datuk Ahmad Said as the MB of Terengganu by the Regency Advisory Council, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi defended his choice of former MB Datuk Idris Jusoh for the post, saying “the appointment of anyone other than Idris is unconstitutional and invalid.” He said this was because the majority of the assemblymen in Terengganu wants Idris, the Jertih assemblyman to be reappointed the MB. “There will be no change to this,” Abdullah said after presenting the prizes to the F1 winners.
In the immediate response to the appointment of State Assemblyman for Kijai Datuk Ahmad Said as the MB of Terengganu by the Regency Advisory Council, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi defended his choice of former MB Datuk Idris Jusoh for the post, saying “the appointment of anyone other than Idris is unconstitutional and invalid.” He said this was because the majority of the assemblymen in Terengganu wants Idris, the Jertih assemblyman to be reappointed the MB. “There will be no change to this,” Abdullah said after presenting the prizes to the F1 winners.
(reference: NST: Abdullah says Idris should be menteri besar)
Sultan murka Idris?
However, the Yang diPertuan Agong who is also the Sultan of Terengganu was apparently not happy with Idris. It is also believed that the sultan was also unhappy with the “apparent cockiness” shown by Idris during his tenure as menteri besar.
Sources told Malaysiakini today that the pressure on Idris from state Umno leaders and fellow state representatives were still apparent but they continue to support him for the menteri besar post to toe the party line. “It is simply because they don’t want to be seen as going against prime minister Abdullah’s choice,” said a source close to the state party leadership. “Furthermore, Idris is also the state Umno leader. It would not be sending a right signal if the state representatives leave him isolated, especially when the present political climate is so favourable to the opposition,” he added.
Source fears that the boycott plan by the 22 BN state representatives will draw a wider wedge between the palace and Umno.
Idris was originally slated to be sworn in on March 10 at Istana Maziah but that ceremony was postponed at the eleventh hour to a date that was to be determined later.
It’s the sultan’s prerogative
Constitutional law expert Prof Abdul Aziz Bari said that it was the sultan’s prerogative to appoint Ahmad to the post.
“Given the law, namely that it is the ruler's judgment and satisfaction, there is nothing Idris or the prime minister can do about it. "
"Legally the prime minister has got no business here as it is a matter for the sultan to decide,” he added. However, Abdul Aziz said that the sultan must make his position clear by stating why he took the present position.
Abdul Aziz also ruled out any possible claims that the sultan had acted beyond his powers in appointing Ahmad.
“I believe he has got all the information pertaining to what has taken place in the state. And, like what has been done by the rulers of Perak, Perlis and Selangor, he has a duty to appoint a government that is stable and has the necessary support,” he said.
However, the Yang diPertuan Agong who is also the Sultan of Terengganu was apparently not happy with Idris. It is also believed that the sultan was also unhappy with the “apparent cockiness” shown by Idris during his tenure as menteri besar.
Sources told Malaysiakini today that the pressure on Idris from state Umno leaders and fellow state representatives were still apparent but they continue to support him for the menteri besar post to toe the party line. “It is simply because they don’t want to be seen as going against prime minister Abdullah’s choice,” said a source close to the state party leadership. “Furthermore, Idris is also the state Umno leader. It would not be sending a right signal if the state representatives leave him isolated, especially when the present political climate is so favourable to the opposition,” he added.
Source fears that the boycott plan by the 22 BN state representatives will draw a wider wedge between the palace and Umno.
Idris was originally slated to be sworn in on March 10 at Istana Maziah but that ceremony was postponed at the eleventh hour to a date that was to be determined later.
It’s the sultan’s prerogative
Constitutional law expert Prof Abdul Aziz Bari said that it was the sultan’s prerogative to appoint Ahmad to the post.
“Given the law, namely that it is the ruler's judgment and satisfaction, there is nothing Idris or the prime minister can do about it. "
"Legally the prime minister has got no business here as it is a matter for the sultan to decide,” he added. However, Abdul Aziz said that the sultan must make his position clear by stating why he took the present position.
Abdul Aziz also ruled out any possible claims that the sultan had acted beyond his powers in appointing Ahmad.
“I believe he has got all the information pertaining to what has taken place in the state. And, like what has been done by the rulers of Perak, Perlis and Selangor, he has a duty to appoint a government that is stable and has the necessary support,” he said.
(source: Malaysiakini)
24 BN Rep will not accept Sultan's choice of MB
Twenty-two out of the 24 Barisan Nasional state assemblymen, five MPs and four out of the eight Umno divisions in Terengganu have thrown their support behind state Umno liaison chief Datuk Seri Idris Jusoh as the menteri besar.
State Umno secretary Datuk Rosol Wahid, in a hastily arranged press conference last night, also said Kijal state assemblyman Datuk Ahmad Said, who was picked by the palace to be menteri besar, did not have the support of the seven divisions as was alleged on Saturday. He said support for Idris came from Umno division heads from Kuala Terengganu, Jertih, Kuala Nerus and Besut at a meeting at Seri Perdana, Putrajaya, with Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and Idris.
Present at the meeting to show support for Idris were the 22 state assemblymen and leaders from state Umno Youth, Puteri and Wanita movements.
"The 22 of us, the MPs and the divisions want to state our unequivocal support for Idris," Rosol said.
"Ahmad is all alone. He stands alone as the menteri besar."Present at the meeting to show support for Idris were the 22 state assemblymen and leaders from state Umno Youth, Puteri and Wanita movements.
"The 22 of us, the MPs and the divisions want to state our unequivocal support for Idris," Rosol said.
Rosol also alleged that there was a move to "buy over" some of the assemblymen in the form of timber concessions and cash to support Ahmad.
(source: NST: 22 reps, 5 MPs and 4 divisions back Idris)
Natang; Siapa?
Police are looking for two men from Kuala Besut involved in carrying a banner insulting the Yang di-Pertuan Agong two weeks ago.
Police are looking for two men from Kuala Besut involved in carrying a banner insulting the Yang di-Pertuan Agong two weeks ago.
They have been identified as Hassan Salleh, a lorry driver in his 20s from Kampung Gertak Seratus, and Rizal Awang, a contract worker in his 30s from Kampung Tok Sabah.
Police have pictures of the two holding up a banner at Seri Iman, the official residence of the menteri besar, protesting the appointment of Datuk Ahmad Said as the new Menteri Besar of Terengganu. It also included a rude remark believed to be directed at the Yang di-Pertuan Agong.
State police chief Datuk Ayub Yaakub said the two may be investigated under Section 11(2) of the Copyright Act 1984 for printing banners illegally.
(source: NST: 2 men sought over banner insult to king)
The banner insulted the Yang diPertuan Agong, our King, and the police investigation and charges will be under Section 11(2) of the Copyright Act 1984 for printing banners illegally. What an insult to the Malaysians as a whole as our King and his choice and discretion to appoint Ahmad Said is referred by such name.
Notable Quotes:
Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail:
"Although the matter is under the jurisdiction of the Regency Advisory Council, of which any decision can be reached by the council itself, it is my opinion that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong should be advised so that he is clear on the facts and legalities of the issue."
Minister in the Prime Minister's Department, Datuk Zaid Ibrahim:
"It's important for everyone, including the monarch, to respect the law, and in this case the law is quite clear."
"The discretion of the monarch ... is not an absolute personal discretion. It has to be exercised in a way that the constitution expects."
(quotes with reference to the appointment of the Terengganu menteri besar Ahmad Said)
(source: A-G to seek audience with king)
Senior lawyer and Bar Council member Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdullah:
"If a ruler persists in appointing a person from the winning party who does not command the confidence of the majority, the democratic process is put in jeopardy."
"This unpleasant state of affairs ought to be avoided in order to bring harmony between the various institutions." (with reference to the appointment of the Terengganu menteri besar Ahmad Said)
Retired Court of Appeal judge Datuk Shaik Daud Md Ismail:
"The ruler has to pick someone who commands the confidence of the majority of the assembly." (with reference to the appointment of the Terengganu menteri besar Ahmad Said)
Senior lawyer and Bar Council member, Roger Tan:
"In a democracy, the ruler cannot frustrate the will of the people."
"In the absence of an express constitutional provision, one always relies on conventions which have developed since independence, which is that the leader of the party with the majority number of seats is appointed ..."
(with reference to the appointment of the Terengganu menteri besar Ahmad Said)
(source: NST: Discretion 'not absolute')
Excerpts from the question-and-answer session with Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi at a 20-minute press conference after the Umno supreme council meeting.
Q: Is the appointment of Ahmad constitutional?
A: It was done in accordance with the Terengganu state constitution. We don't want to engage on the issue of its legality. It has been more than two weeks since we were declared the winner, so it is our intention to ensure that the people of Terengganu have a government to look after their interests and carry out projects planned for the progress of the state.
(source: NST: 'Appointment followed state constitution')
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28 comments:
sometimes i think the palace also too much into politics. i just wish the agung will just say 'huh? what sedition?' right infront of the press, no need more..just those 3 words would have settled alot of agony.
the way i see it? manupulating when the other party is weak. first, when TDM is PM, no one say anything, including the rulers. TDM is not weak.
when it's AAB turn, the rulers started to speak and act. well... in some instances it's laudable but not all and the fact when it started it open the floodgate. and now BN is taking this advantage to blame PR leaders.
Mave, u did a gd job of reminding us the case of Tganu BN objecting ruler's choice and also the poster of "natang", which did spring in my mind when i start to read ur post.
Wow, anonymous. Be careful of that sentiment. The royalty is something you might not want to meddle with.
Those are some extensive analyses mave, I am well-informed. Here's my two cents:
Number one i think why karpal's sayings was deemed insulting and hurtful (to the malays) is because the Sultan is the head of RELIGION in perak, so karpal has stepped out of line by questioning the Sultan in something he has absolute powers on. Particularly because it involved the word "religion". But there non-malays too who are unhappy with karpals decision, so using the racial card might not be relevant here too.
one smart-ass guy from greenback country on... CONSTITUTION
"They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don't
we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it's worked for over 200 years and we're not using it anymore."
so, the way our politicians coming out with their own version, might as well donate the ours as well - bet we won't have problem finding a recipient.
~~~ its friday! beeranyone?
Oh wow! You outdid yourself this time Mave - this is a good piece! A classic "cakap tak serupa bikin" scenario from BN.
I luv my PM. His idiocy is so classic, so pure, so innocence. He always shoot himself first before shooting others. He is a good case study for PhD thesis!
Again, you people got conned. Why would PM wanna pick a fight against Karpal?
Wink. Wink. Why the government suddenly no money?
Suckers all of you, real suckers. No wonder our country is in this sordid shape.
Look at the bigger picture!
Ycg,
I do not agree. There is some complexity over the issue. Firstly, Jamry is a civil servant and comes under the MB's prerogative; however, he is also a religious head which comes under the prerogative of the Sultan. As such, it would be good for the MB to seek an audience with the Sultan before he acts. There need not be a contentious issue; it is just about due respect and honor and I think think the Sultan would disagree if Jamry cannot work with MB.
CK,
I hope we see the whole picture instead of an isolated case.
Beeranyone,
Let's be constructive and positive about the whole issues. We Malaysians should be able and have the intellectuality to exercise our thoughts and actions with wisdom and ensure harmony exists at all times.
Anak Merdeka,
Thanks and it took me 3 hours to write this piece.
Hasilox,
You could be right but I hope he has more wisdom.
Anak Merdeka,
Daniel,
You are right about Anon and I have to delete the comment.
Your analysis of the issue is good and I tend to agree with you.
There is reason behind Karpal "no holding back" speech. Instead of choosing soft spoke the whole issue, Karpal choose to confront the issue.
What Pak Lah doing are merely buying time and getting umno support for the coming umno AGM.
I doubt typical Malay will bother about the "religion head" right of Sultan. Worst, it is mind boggling if the royal come into the politics.
A simple negotiation can put the whole "contraversy" into end, when the PR state government start discuss with the sultan on the appointment. And the whole things will done more damage towards UMNO than PR government.
Do we wonder why we wonder
Why we ask question and get no answer
And get answer without question to ponder
When what every party wants is to grab a big bite of the power
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 090508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Fri. 9th May 2008.
The word Sedition has been cropping up rather regularly these days. YM Raja Petra was slapped with it and now YB Karpal Singh seems to be next on the list. I really don’t understand the double standards and hypocracy of the Police and the BN/Umno regime on the issue of sedition.
Just last month, we had Umno politicians making all sorts of unkind remarks against the King and the Raja of Perlis. During the Constitutional crisis, Umno politicians made plenty of what can be termed as Seditious remarks against the Malay Rulers. Then, we have the seditious remarks made by the likes of Hashim Suboh and the Umno clowns during last years Umno General Assembly. Let us not forget DPM Najib just before Operasi Lallang, wanted to bathe the Keris with the blood of Malaysian Chinese.
All these does not seem to be seditious to the governmet and the impotent IGP and his goons at PDRM! I don’t see where YB Karpal has insulted the Monarchy. The questions he raised is of public interest. It is the idiot Bodohwi and his racist goons in Umno who are trying to stir up racial sentiments by suddenly championing the Malay Rulers and Malay rights. By asking the oxymoron Tengku Adnan to lodge a police report against YB Karpal, Badawi has really demonstrated to the world what kind of a moron and racist he is.
I see a real danger here that as Umno is sinking, low life’s like SIL, MMT, Tengku Adnan, the MP of Batu Pahat etc. may use this issue to stir up racial tension just to be seen as the Knights of Shining armor in the eyes of the Malays
you see, assuming that i'm the sultan and all, surely i would have predicted the impact of what i say to the community as well as the newly appointed MB. granted that the MB may have overlooked the consultation with me but if i retort openly through my secretary and then to the press as well, er...what do i really want to achieve anyway? now, if i were to do it in a more discreet way such as to order my private secretary to privately convey my displeasure of him removing the religion head without my approval, wont that be a better alternative? you see, when bersih had the whole rally to the palace to present the petition to the king, the king did not send his private secretary to openly say that he agrees to the request of the rakyat...he did it covertly in his speech and so does the perak raja nazrin...in his speech. so in this case, eventhough BN is openly defiant but the monachy is hinting to BN that they are slanting towards the people. ohh, MAV and the rest of us are still very good in spotting the hint.
and now we have the new MB still learning the rope of governing a state, mind you damn tough you know...i dont have to be in his shoe to imagine his pressure. new MB and all, there is soo much in his head, this that and then this jamry go and cucuk him while he is stress and all, ofcourse then angry and transfer the fella la.
back to 'if i were a sultan', i would understand this u see. newbie ma...give chance la. why not, my subject wanted PR what. BUT, that is not what happen, the sultan also fire from top. laa-oi, nizar is not even pointing his gun at the sultan la...so this all caught him unaware also, panic panic. then BN also huuhaa huuhaa add oil to fire...is this necessary ar? if the sultan me just be more forgiving and talk slowslow to nizar, hint hint, i'm sure everything will be fineeee cos nizar and we lot very good at catching hint ma. poor MB, now look like a fool. kena pikpiak from sultan and jeers from UMNO. guess he has to be 'extra' caution and learn it the hard way lor, since we all also dont give him chance. if not too much politic, i donno what is.
sometime to earn respect, the boss have to show respect and very importantly humility also. so ya, i too know it is not that simple. just that my method of respect differs from yours.
i hope i did not offend anyone ler by using the sultan illustration. this is all in my head. not planning to elaborate earlier but have to laa in the end cos mebbe earlier hint sucks.
My take is AAB & Gang are playing "wayang kulit " to try to divert attention from the many problems they themselves are facing now.
i agree on the bigger pic mave but to me, now it seems like karpal's comment is being amplified while other instances of seditious comment by the BN sides were left just like tat. double std in the bright daylight.
Moo_t,
If you read Machiavelli's book you will understand why we are facing complex issues that could possibly stir up racial clashes.
It's part of the political war game of survival in the time of distress and uncertainty.
Samuel Goh,
Great poem.
MarGeeMar,
I understand what you said and we all understand what is sedition. What we cannot understand is abuses and selective prosecutions.
Ycg,
You have said things bluntly and based on simple social observations. But politics is truly a dirty game especially when the stakes are high and when the grounds are weak and shaky. This is what we see and read today; it's a new warring-game in our political landscape.
WTF,
Ya, it could be wayang but it is something that has become necessary to divert issues and attract support.
CK,
You are right; but when we see what is happening, what is more of our concern is the next chapter and phase; I'm sure you'd understand.
mave, with regards to your response to CK i admire how you always have a forward-looking outlook on things.
i've always believed in the saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword.' in this case, racialism seems to be it.
this is the news i wanted to see!
why did the BN jokers plus the number one go against the Agong and nothing happen...
now Karpal say a few words and it is disrespect???
please la.. wake up Malaysian!
Phillix,
Thanks for your exaltation. I agree that those who plays with the sword knows it cuts both edges; they'll bleed too.
Those currently charged with/under 'Sedition'
Really are victims of subtle seduction
Trying to distract them from their attention
On their present preoccupation on their line of action
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 100508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sat. 10th May 2008.
Those currently charged with/under 'Sedition'
Really are victims of subtle seduction
Trying to distract them from their attention
On their present preoccupation on their line of action
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 100508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sat. 10th May 2008.
mave,
thanks for the reply. :) it's great to learn from you and your readers here.
how quickly BN buries the reputation of a giant whose long track record of championing the less fortunates with excellent legal expertise, who has contributed much to the country,....
and all for what? so as they can perpetuate their rule in the country. whipping up sentiment with misplaced accusations.
YB Karpal Singh had said, "Karpal Singh said he had in no way questioned the prerogative of the Sultan of Perak as the head of the religion of Islam in his state."
and "Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi should have taken legal advice from the Attorney-General before publicly attacking me for questioning the prerogative of the Sultan of Perak as the head of religion when I did not do so." - from Star online.
have we forgotten that Pak Lah also had run ins with the King? Was there a brouhaha as widspread as this?
Shame on you Pak Lah, you don't even hold up to this giant of a leader.
Stop throwing spanners into the works so as to prolong your leadership, when this blows over, one way or another, the political forces will again gather storm to challenge you.
Samuel Goh,
Good poetry. It's not about distraction; it's about a game of poker.
CK,
You have always being constructive and deserved my respect. We have to be concerned with what is going to happen while what had happened is merely lessons learnt.
Jefus,
to ffin
You are right; PM should seek AG's advice before he said what he had said. He has forgotten that he is PM and he is a PM for all Malaysians, including Karpal. he has a duty to protect everyone including Karpal and not act like a political party leader trying to find fault with his rakyat.
Does UMNO really cares about the Kings.
UMNO is the party that stripped the sultans of their influence and power.
People have short memory. It is UMNO stirring the sh*t.
Artchan,
Umno don't have internal critical reflective attitudes. They had done so many things against the Sultans and Agong but they do that which they believed it was rightly done. All others can do what they do; it's a right reserved.
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