I normally do not watch TV except for EPL and F1.
But last night I had to watch because it is something non existent in Malaysia - a Minister of Information debating with someone who is not even an MP, nor a State Assemblyman, neither is he a president or deputy of a political party: that man is just a husband of the opposition leader: that man is Anwar Ibrahim.
Go read at Anil Netto for the debate issues. I just want to tell you what I think:
Anwar was focused on the issue of the debate: “Today we form the Government, tomorrow the fuel prices will go down." He kept his points of contention and arguments directed to this central discourse.
Shabery started the first 5 minutes the same way. Thereafter, he talks and makes reference to the recent concert in Kelana Jaya, to 1974 demonstration of Anwar-ABIM, to 1990's role in IPPs' agreement; he's got nothing to debate against Anwar on the subject topic except to tell the audiences that it is not easy for the government; it is easy for the opposition to hurl accusations without substantive solutions; that the rice in Malaysia is cheaper than in Thailand; that although Venezuela's petrol price is cheaper but their inflation is higher.But last night I had to watch because it is something non existent in Malaysia - a Minister of Information debating with someone who is not even an MP, nor a State Assemblyman, neither is he a president or deputy of a political party: that man is just a husband of the opposition leader: that man is Anwar Ibrahim.
Go read at Anil Netto for the debate issues. I just want to tell you what I think:
Anwar was focused on the issue of the debate: “Today we form the Government, tomorrow the fuel prices will go down." He kept his points of contention and arguments directed to this central discourse.
Our rice is cheaper than Thailand, and that is because of our policies. We don't have to demonstrate on the streets or organise improper concerts," Shabery said.
I'm not sure what Shabery is saying: rice is cheaper than Thailand? Do you eat the same rice in Thailand? Proton is cheaper than Mercedes? That's the same - apple vs apple? That Finland do not have subsidies and are equally successful economies?
"In 2015, Malaysia will become a net importer of oil. By then, would we not be forced to raise the price of fuel (more) drastically (compared to today)?" Shabery quipped. asked.
Anwar explained that what Petronas reported was that Malaysia would only become a net importer of oil if no new oilfields were discovered in the next 10 years.
It was a shame; It wasn't a debate on Shabery's part; he was using it as a platform to hurl abuses against Anwar; and shockingly, Anwar had the intuitions and the answer to the potshots.
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33 comments:
his oratory skills have been polished for a long time since his student union days.
And Mav, you are right, if the opposition manages to topple the government and BN manages to jail Annuar Ibrahim, the opposition leader is still free to form a government.
the broadcast will only galvanize the general public opinion that the ruling party is incompetent to run the country in crisis.
it is not character assassination that will pull the country out of economic difficulties, capable men,...
The best part was when anwar said, "Its not about petronas, its about BN and Ahli Parlimen..."... Come on lah BN... You out of topic at al... kasi malu saja... Live lagi tu... Correct me if im wrong...
RAKYAT
Not easy to defend bad jobs done. At least he is willing to talk & listen.
The real joke was from that guy who was suppose to ask questions, a vice chancellor of UUM! Gosh, unbelievable. Hearing about his innuendos does not reduce the shock of seeing him clowning. Interesting to know how many other universities have VC with such disastrous quality.
haprak punya menteri info.
as long as one sound stupid, look stupid, frothing in the mouth and ass-kiss that badawised guy... woah la! you can be a minister.
hope this joker honour his words and hand in his resignation.
***beeranyone
Source: anilnetto
Shabery: This is a populist argument........ Even with their difficulties now, believe me, the people have enough to eat........
Correction : Even with their difficulties now, believe me, the people have JUST enough to eat.....
Plzzzzzzzzzzz BN, UMNO & cronies... Buka mata, pasang lah telinga tu... Lihat rakyat disetiap susuk pelusuk Malaysia (jgn lihat saja yg dibandar, di kampung nan jauh di pedalaman) dan dengar la rintihan mereka...
BN buat rebate untuk yang berkenderaan dan hanya selepas roadtax direnew... Di pedalaman, yang guna pengangkutan air, ada boleh rebate ka?????? Ingat boat's engine pakai air boleh running ka??????
Rintihan......
RAKYAT
To me, it is a clear KO win for Anwar. The Info Minister clearly has no substance and just playing with words and topics.
Basically, the Info Minister just repeated what was repeated on MSM but Anwar managed to inform the mass this time thru the MSM some of the problems being going on with the current government.
This is a good wake up call to those in the "Kampungs" that have no internet access....other than being feed with info from the MSM.
Another point to reflect is, from the debate last night, it also clearly shows the competency of current government and the state of denial the government is in.
One point gave me shivers is that the Info Minister remarked that "rakyat cukup makan", is he implying that as long as we have enough to eat, we should not improve our situations? Is he implying that as long as the government feed the rakyat enough, the rakyat should be kissing Lah Lah's feet?
Inflation figures given by Bank Neagara Malaysia is not a true reflection of current situation and I think everyone knows that except this Info Minister and most probably the whole BN gang, and he dares to open his mouth to say our inflation rate is good/low.
Anyway, I hope they do more of this......
it is not easy to form a govt, if you want to do a good job like MM Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore, or Hu Jing Tao in China.
but if you want to do it Pak Lah sytle, then you don't need to do much actually, or can even sleep on the job.
Sorry to disagree.
Why are we disappointed with the personal pot shots by Cheeky towards Anwar?
This is a BN platform and to be so generous to offer to "someone who is not even an MP, nor a State Assemblyman" nationwide wide LIVE & FREE publicity, the personal attacks are the price Anwar will have to pay.
BN is not stupid, they know "there is no free lunch in the world"
Look it at the positive way, the personal attacks on Anwar also serve us a reminder and caution of the history of Anwar so that we can make informed decision when the time comes.
Potshots are potshots. To condemn DSAI when he was the DPM is also akin to condemning his ex-boss TDM. If this debate serves to air UMNO's confirmation that they had bad leaders in the past, it was a job well done. But has anything changed much now with the present set of leaders?
genghis,
yes, anwar has been a bad boy when he as in BN 10 years ago, no doubt. and he was not the only bad guys in BN then.
today, i don't know if he has changed or not, but probably his taste for the butt has not.
besides the point, i would still take my bet with anwar, cos those guys in BN are worse, and they and still the same 10 years ago and now.
but if they spend 10 years in jail to reform and bertaubat, like anwar did, then i will reconsider.
genghis...
which personality and which history to be reminded?
taking people to the streets? - better read about the history of baling protest.
IPPs existed when Anwar was in government? - he asked us to check the details.
IMF crisis? - we are going towards the IMF idea, aren't we?
yes, i agree with the above anon.. he was not the only bad guys.. ever heard of collective response? i bet TDM & AAB were also a part of it and i don't think DSAI could possibly make his own decision while he was in the cabinet.
the point here is, the debate is relating to us, the rakyat... and i'll choose someone who back us, not for a bunch of money hunger people. if he turns to be one of them later, he might be dumped as well too.
Maverick
The debate session went well last night. Fellow Malaysian were shown a Monkey Minister and an Experienced man that should be made Prime Minister of Malaysia, i.e. Datok Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
The Monkey Minister is nnone other than Shabery Cheek and he failed terribly. Unfortunately he is not quitting from his post and that no keeping to promises is common for Cabinet Monkey Ministers under leadership of Pak Lah the Dumb and Daft Prime Monkey from Kepala Atas.
In Open Debate session platform, facts and figures need to be highlighted instead of Personal Attack and in this case, Shabery have done perfectly well and believe that his family and friends just adores his brainy toilet qualities ideas.
At this moment, we all must hope that no Police will pull trigger on Anwar Ibrahim when he report to IPK-KL 2pm today on the Sodomy case.
Surprisingly, what happen to Najib The Bomber. He has been quiet and could he be overseas sodomising other victims. What a poor chap he is!
I no fan of anwar. But fair's fair. He stuck to the topic, and handled the Shabby potshots well. Anyhows, all I learn is that the much touted "harga minyak turun" would only be by 50sen. Thank god, not by 1sen, cos that's still harga turun and a pledge will be fulfilled. Hee.
But congrats too to the Info Min. He at least brave enuff to take on a man who thrives on oratory.
Well done to both.
Audience
Standing ovation for Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
Hello,
I don't agree with many of the commentators said above. I think that Shabery did quite well. Indeed he had guts to challenge Anwar which we all known is an outspoken person in the politics arena for the previous years.
However Shabery is using this debate to attck Anwar personally in every session with less facts and figures, eventhough he said is truth that the process of decreasing the petrol price to rm2.20 is not an easy task, which Anwar could only speaks of it rather than realising the theories given. If not, how about the money promised by thr PR to gave rm6000.00 to every household voters during the last GE?
But I agree too that both speakers could handle themselves very well. They were not too emotional and stuck to the topic.
Debate is a good program for public's food of thoughts. The program should go on.
Sudahlah PKR ... everytime u blame BN .... what PKR can do is NATO ... No Action Talk Only
that why we called PKR ... Parti kelentong Rakyat
PKR sudah bentuk kerajaan di 2 negeri , adakah harga minyak di turun kan satu habuk pun tak ade ... cuma babi yang di turunkam kat Selamgor
Saya cadangkan utk PKR
Hari in bentuk bentuk kerajaan , besok Harga Ayam turun .... lebig sesuai dgn ahli parlimen PKR ...
Jangan buang masa rakyat
Some people argue that you can't reduce the oil price, because the subsidies will bleed the country dry. I beg to be different. Indeed, ANYONE can fulfill the promise without the dire consequences, it is just because people REFUSE to think from the angle of administration.
Come on, make me the PM, I can give cheap petrol as low as RM1.50/liter, but I will make sure you will not drive to work ;). E.g.
- Impose parking tax to 5000%
- expensive car city pass,
- put 100 times more buses on Malaysia congested city road, - implement efficient public transport system,
- increase company car road tax another 5000%,
- rebates on public transport spare parts,
- incentives to school buses
- etc.
And I will phase in knowledge economy and move away from cheap labor industry, make sure people has more money to spend on good living than spend 40-50% of their income on serving bank loan.
And that is a governance thinking. We know all this can be implemented, but after 20 years of Mahathir administration, it seems Malaysia minister learn not to think.
Shabery doing quite well? which part?
Comparing the inflation to that of vanezuela & iran? when these countries are facing sanction & importing their basic foodstuffs i.e theirs are imported inflation.
No subsidies in finland? what for? when their GDP per capita ranked 12th & the second most stable country in the world on social, economic, political and military indicators. BTW, world's largest manufacturer of mobile telephones with global device market share at about 40% is Nokia, you know?
Debate is on fuel, why the personal attack? so, he is saying badawi & najib are angels during the 70s, 80s till now?
Whats the point for having the balls to take on anwar, must also give some cow-sense la! Can fool all the kampong folks, all the time but don't treat other malaysians like retards.
^^^whattheheck
anwar dah kena tangkap la, mave!
another sad episode to him and his family!
shabery compared malaysia with finland!!! hahahahaha
in finland, your speeding fine is a % of what is your annual income, to make it fair. malaysia leh? everyday, macam mana mau settle is their favourite word?
stop talkin through the backside la minister of information.
DS Anwar clear winner. but today at 1.15pm, UTK came and arrested the winner.
Malaysia, Malaysia... hari hari becoming more like zimbabwe
anwar - 1
starberry or whatever - 0.
any objections, pls keep to yourself.
cheers man.
Hi, how are you? :-)
Yeah, last night debate got me all excited. Thank God it wasn't a let down. :-)
You're right, it's obvious who's the winner. Shabery obviously came prepared with a script and was determined to say his lines no matter how irrelevant it was. I almost laughed myself to death when Strawberry kept saying it's not right to take more from Petronas when DSAi was saying the subsidy should come from the Dana Kerajaan. Not Petronas. lol
cheers man,
Beg to differ,
DSAI : 12 rounds ( unanimous )
Berry : 0 round & 10 cautions,
hitting below the belt,
too many personal attack
Next Match : DSAI vs Bodowee/Najis Tag Team.
~~~beeranyone
Shabbily cheeky since student days talk too much but without substance. This actually the standard set by his sifu (POKLEH).
TINKOSONG
Hujah2 Anwar tidak sekukuh mana pun, apa yang asyik disebut2 saja adalah 'Kepentingan Rakyat'. Tu je asyik diulang, tapi formula tak kukuh pun..Kerajaan membelanjakan subsidi sebanyak hampir RM 50 billion untuk mengekalkan subisidi sebanyak RM 1.20 seliter untuk harga runcit petrol. RM 5 billion patutnya hanya akan memberi kesan sebanyak 12 sen seliter harga runcit pasaran dan bukan 50 sen, sebagaimana dijanjikan secara bersahaja oleh Anwar. Tapi takpa sekurang2nya berani berdebat dan membincangkan cara aman, sedikit sebanyak kedua2 belah pihak boleh bertukar2 maklumat dan digunakan untuk pertimbangan. Tahniah kepada pihak kerajaan kerana memberi ruang untuk perkara sebegini. Tambahan lagi ruang kepada seseorang seperti Anwar..
Request to the PKR / BN ... Sstudy all the fact . Use tools such as 80 - 20 or DMAIC before start to debate. Based on the complete case study we are able to minimize the addtional cost. There is loop hole in govenment but who is reposnible to review. Does our EPU well train on this issue ior PM just refer to someone to understand the cost factor. The problem is rakyat want to know how to eliminate cost incurred and not goverment problem.
If we use the approiate tools definately we can minimise the addtional cost. Petronas is not rakyat sector and they are doing well (based on the result) so whatever money given by petronas shall be use accordingly.
Lets open debate with all the economic gurus rather then opposition and BN politican
One is telling that goverment doing the right things and another telling how to do the right things but the final result we rakyat still suffering. Let deabate with result oriented. Gd luck fellow Malaysian
Pissed off
The UMNO govt has been lying to the rakyat. They say the rising oil prices is a global problem and they have to raise the pump prices as in other countries.
The Petronas boss Hassan Merican was quoted in Star Biz today "its dangerous to be dependent only on Petronas. What if oil prices drop? To sustain payments will be a challenge"
Malaysia needs high oil prices to reap the windfall income. If the oil prices were to fall we would be in deep shit. The govt even with the high oil income needs to remove oil subsidy.
As long as we are a net oil exporter high oil prices is good for us. We must follow Norway and invest the income PROPERLY for future generations.
Because of corruption the NEP target can never be fulfilled.
We Malays are not stupid. Petronas which is run by a Bumi is a world class company. Just put the right people at the top posts and stop govt interference and corruption.
The UMNO govt has been lying to the rakyat. They say the rising oil prices is a global problem and they have to raise the pump prices as in other countries.
The Petronas boss Hassan Merican was quoted in Star Biz today "its dangerous to be dependent only on Petronas. What if oil prices drop? To sustain payments will be a challenge"
The govt needs high oil prices to reap the windfall income. If the oil prices were to fall we would be in deep shit. The govt even with the high oil income needs to remove oil subsidy.
As long as we are a net oil exporter high oil prices is good for us. We must follow Norway and invest the income PROPERLY for future generations.
Because of corruption the NEP target can never be fulfilled.
We Malays are just as capable as the rest of the world. Petronas which is a Bumi company is a world class company. Just put the right people at the top posts and stop govt interference and corruption, the rakyat will be better off.
it is crystal clear..Anwar KO'ed Shabery.. even my mum knows that shabery is mumbling only he knows what and not answering questions from the panel.. it is sad knowing him as an Information Minister and to be seen very unInformed..
by the way, mave.. i linked to your post in my entry.. Thanks..
Jefus,
I agree with your conception.
I do not pay much attention to the oratory skills; what I wanted to hear was how Shabery will present the govt's side of the affirmative actions to reduce the subsidy and used that money to benefit the rakyat; sadly he spent much of his time digging at Anwar's personality and on his past: there was nothing about the present and the future of what affirmative acts which govt will be doing to address the dilemma on the high cost of living affecting the people.
Rakyat,
You are correct in the quote.
Hasilox,
Hahaha... I did observed the same.
Beeranyone,
Ya, he froth!
Toolan,
Rakyat cukup makan: that's a good point you brought up! Let's see how long the masses of people prod through the high cost of living.
Genghis,
You have a good point: are you also saying that those criminals who had served their years in prison and released should not be given a chance to contribute towards society? Or are you only referring to Anwar: that he should not be given a chance; remember Pak Lah and Shabery were out of Umno and came back. That's the same with Mahathir.
Anak Merdeka,
I tend to agree with you; the important point is that they are in a debate and the purpose of the debate is to intelligently discuss on the subject issue, that is, the fuel subsidy and whether PR can convince the audience of their ability to maintain the subsidy while not straining the nation. And Shabery was to present the current regime's role and responsibility of justifying the subsidy withdrawal and how the money would be utilised for the benefit of the nation as a whole. Sadly, he had no answer except to spent all his time attacking Anwar's personality and his past.
Suealeen,
I like your points of contention; it is intelligible and sensible.
Dumb-Bomber-Sei-Four,
Don't be upset; we are only commoners who only had wished that this debate will provide us some enlightenment on the possible affirmative actions that will mitigate the high cost of living; sadly it did not.
Audience,
I like your 1 sen paranoia..hahahahaha!
Hopeful,
I support your contention.
Wisdomthinker,
Did they stick to the topic? Are you sure? Did Shabery?
Moo_t,
hahaha...I hope you are not PM; I spent more on parking and less on petrol; so I prefer petrol to be high price. But the rakyat in general suffers.
Whattheheck,
I like your bruntness.
Suealeen,
Thanks Sue for the information. I was busy today and only came to know about it late afternoon.
Shiver,
Do not scare me; I don't want to stay in Zimbabwe.
Helen,
Hi Helen and you had been hibernating? It wasn't irrelevant; it was wrong forum.
Beeranyone,
No points lah! It will not matter.
Tinkosong,
That's not his sifu; his sifu is someone else!
Optional,
I honestly think you didn't understand how the subsidy is calculated. Tahniah apa? Maybe, you had reasons to celebrate!
Blurr33,
Your mum is intelligent! I agree with her.
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